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		<title>By: How To Serve Local Content On Your Website &#124; Data Driving</title>
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		<dc:creator>How To Serve Local Content On Your Website &#124; Data Driving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] content to visitors from different countries. This practice is also known as Geotargeting, and much has been written about its potential to help a company expand to new markets or better target [...] </description>
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		<title>By: How Website Country Location Affects Google Search Results</title>
		<link>http://www.branded3.com/blogs/geolocation-improving-navigation-for-web-users-worldwide/comment-page-1/#comment-18322</link>
		<dc:creator>How Website Country Location Affects Google Search Results</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Geolocation - Improving Navigation for Web Users Worldwide [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Kerry Langstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.branded3.com/blogs/geolocation-improving-navigation-for-web-users-worldwide/comment-page-1/#comment-18321</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry Langstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the posts on using geolocation for SEO. Geolocation can be used very effectively in paid search advertising. For instance PPC ads can be targeted by zip code, city, metro area (DMA), state, country, and time zone and re-directed to localized landing pages. By showing relevant content such as language, currency, location-specific images, and Store Locators on these landing pages - your conversion rates will soar.

Geolocation can also be helpful in detecting click fraud. If you sell products or services in only one country you could filter out clicks coming from other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the posts on using geolocation for SEO. Geolocation can be used very effectively in paid search advertising. For instance PPC ads can be targeted by zip code, city, metro area (DMA), state, country, and time zone and re-directed to localized landing pages. By showing relevant content such as language, currency, location-specific images, and Store Locators on these landing pages &#8211; your conversion rates will soar.</p>
<p>Geolocation can also be helpful in detecting click fraud. If you sell products or services in only one country you could filter out clicks coming from other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry Langstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.branded3.com/blogs/geolocation-improving-navigation-for-web-users-worldwide/comment-page-1/#comment-18320</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry Langstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinay is correct in that AOL used to be an issue with geolocation â€“ often showing users as being in Herndon, Virginia where the servers were located. However today AOL usage has dwindled to &lt; 2% of end-user traffic and the days of dial-up are gone. Many AOL users access the Internet via broadband and through non-AOL browsers such as Internet Explorer. As long as they avoid using the AOL proxy when browsing, their IP geolocation will be localized to the city/metro level.

Regarding the issue of companies pushing visitors off to regional sites. In the whitepaper, John Yunker cites as a best practice that companies should always have a backup â€œglobal gatewayâ€ strategy in place to give users the ability to self-select their location, if needed. The global gateway should be highly visible and easy to use and it must allow the Web user to be and feel fully in control of selecting his or her language and country.

Also a company doesn&#039;t necessarily have to redirect Web users based on their country of origin. You can simply localize a bit of content here and there just to be sure
your customers are finding their way.

Kerry Langstaff
Vice President Marketing, Quova. Inc.
klangstaff@quova.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinay is correct in that AOL used to be an issue with geolocation â€“ often showing users as being in Herndon, Virginia where the servers were located. However today AOL usage has dwindled to &lt; 2% of end-user traffic and the days of dial-up are gone. Many AOL users access the Internet via broadband and through non-AOL browsers such as Internet Explorer. As long as they avoid using the AOL proxy when browsing, their IP geolocation will be localized to the city/metro level.</p>
<p>Regarding the issue of companies pushing visitors off to regional sites. In the whitepaper, John Yunker cites as a best practice that companies should always have a backup â€œglobal gatewayâ€ strategy in place to give users the ability to self-select their location, if needed. The global gateway should be highly visible and easy to use and it must allow the Web user to be and feel fully in control of selecting his or her language and country.</p>
<p>Also a company doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to redirect Web users based on their country of origin. You can simply localize a bit of content here and there just to be sure<br />
your customers are finding their way.</p>
<p>Kerry Langstaff<br />
Vice President Marketing, Quova. Inc.<br />
<a href="mailto:klangstaff@quova.com">klangstaff@quova.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using IP locations to personalize content can really mess with your SEO goals. Andrew Shotland has a good post from a year ago about it here; http://www.localseoguide.com/geotargeting-location-by-ip-address-seo-death/

I think having sections of the site via folders or sub-domains, or even separate country level domain names,  dedicated to the other languages would be the way to go and use the IP targeting to provide a &quot;suggestion&quot; to link over to the other locations should the visitor land in the wrong location to start with.  Or use country flag links that point to the other locations.

Do let those other locations get crawled by the bots to increase the likelihood that a searcher lands at the right location to begin with.

If your geo-location system is automatically redirecting visitors, by IP,  to their personalized location  you do solve the one problem of sending them to where they need to be. BUT, if poorly executed, you open yourself up to a whole host of problems that can cut down drastically on the full potential you could be achieving out of search engine traffic.

Like you just said above Patrick, &quot;the whole area is tricky!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using IP locations to personalize content can really mess with your SEO goals. Andrew Shotland has a good post from a year ago about it here; <a href="http://www.localseoguide.com/geotargeting-location-by-ip-address-seo-death/" rel="nofollow">http://www.localseoguide.com/geotargeting-location-by-ip-address-seo-death/</a></p>
<p>I think having sections of the site via folders or sub-domains, or even separate country level domain names,  dedicated to the other languages would be the way to go and use the IP targeting to provide a &#8220;suggestion&#8221; to link over to the other locations should the visitor land in the wrong location to start with.  Or use country flag links that point to the other locations.</p>
<p>Do let those other locations get crawled by the bots to increase the likelihood that a searcher lands at the right location to begin with.</p>
<p>If your geo-location system is automatically redirecting visitors, by IP,  to their personalized location  you do solve the one problem of sending them to where they need to be. BUT, if poorly executed, you open yourself up to a whole host of problems that can cut down drastically on the full potential you could be achieving out of search engine traffic.</p>
<p>Like you just said above Patrick, &#8220;the whole area is tricky!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Potato Chef</title>
		<link>http://www.branded3.com/blogs/geolocation-improving-navigation-for-web-users-worldwide/comment-page-1/#comment-18318</link>
		<dc:creator>Potato Chef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like for every problem that is solved another pops up.  The world is getting smaller, but remember the Tower Of Babbel?  Maybe we are not meant to communicate so freely with each other...  I&#039;m not sure about that but maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like for every problem that is solved another pops up.  The world is getting smaller, but remember the Tower Of Babbel?  Maybe we are not meant to communicate so freely with each other&#8230;  I&#8217;m not sure about that but maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Altoft</title>
		<link>http://www.branded3.com/blogs/geolocation-improving-navigation-for-web-users-worldwide/comment-page-1/#comment-18317</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Altoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Search bots are US based so they will see the site as a US visitor. It&#039;s important to link to all your page versions so Googlebot can still find them.

The whole area is very tricky!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Search bots are US based so they will see the site as a US visitor. It&#8217;s important to link to all your page versions so Googlebot can still find them.</p>
<p>The whole area is very tricky!</p>
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		<title>By: Vinay</title>
		<link>http://www.branded3.com/blogs/geolocation-improving-navigation-for-web-users-worldwide/comment-page-1/#comment-18316</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very informative article from Quova, I have been doing some research over this strategy for a client of us who wanted to expand to EU market.  Geolocation is indeed a very effective way to market your service to users locally and improve click-through!

But how would Geolocation help in SEO? Which page or version of a site is shown for a Search Bot visiting the site? If a version of site is dependent on a ip address, wouldn&#039;t the other versions be ignored by search bot?

Few of my thoughts which could be implemented if you or your client is expanding Worldwide/Europe, whilst Geolocation helps in large extend you might want to consider this.

Ideally, to have as good a chance of ranking well in natural results as possible, a site should be,

â€¢ hosted in the target country
â€¢ have a domain  name with a local TLD i.e. .fr, .de, etc.,
â€¢ be fully translated into the local language to offer as many chances as possible to rank for pertinent search terms in the local country
â€¢ have links from sites with the same TLD

Let domain.com domain be used and the content for each market placed into a folder structure i.e. the content for French users would be placed in domain.com/fr.

This might be suitable for Small Business while the E-Commerce giants might go for Geolocation.

Few of Corporate Landing Pages you might want to have a look before your decide on your site.

- http://www.xerox.com/ (Visitors select their region)
- http://www.ebay.com/ (Visitors are prompted based on IP)
- http://www.amazon.com/ (Visitors are prompted based on IP)
- http://www.ibm.com/ (Visitors land on US version but have options to change Country/Region)

In my opinion, eBay &amp; Amazon have implemented an interesting landing page for visitors. Users with proxy (using IP from different country) might not want to land in different page, loading the page they requested and suggesting to move to appropriate Country/Region specific section would be more recommended.

I am sure the Geolocation would be largely used in future as brands and etailers start to expand and attract local markets. Thanks  again for contributing this interesting article &amp; linking to download the white paper which I am sure will help us to great extend.

Cheers,
Vinay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative article from Quova, I have been doing some research over this strategy for a client of us who wanted to expand to EU market.  Geolocation is indeed a very effective way to market your service to users locally and improve click-through!</p>
<p>But how would Geolocation help in SEO? Which page or version of a site is shown for a Search Bot visiting the site? If a version of site is dependent on a ip address, wouldn&#8217;t the other versions be ignored by search bot?</p>
<p>Few of my thoughts which could be implemented if you or your client is expanding Worldwide/Europe, whilst Geolocation helps in large extend you might want to consider this.</p>
<p>Ideally, to have as good a chance of ranking well in natural results as possible, a site should be,</p>
<p>â€¢ hosted in the target country<br />
â€¢ have a domain  name with a local TLD i.e. .fr, .de, etc.,<br />
â€¢ be fully translated into the local language to offer as many chances as possible to rank for pertinent search terms in the local country<br />
â€¢ have links from sites with the same TLD</p>
<p>Let domain.com domain be used and the content for each market placed into a folder structure i.e. the content for French users would be placed in domain.com/fr.</p>
<p>This might be suitable for Small Business while the E-Commerce giants might go for Geolocation.</p>
<p>Few of Corporate Landing Pages you might want to have a look before your decide on your site.</p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.xerox.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.xerox.com/</a> (Visitors select their region)<br />
- <a href="http://www.ebay.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/</a> (Visitors are prompted based on IP)<br />
- <a href="http://www.amazon.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/</a> (Visitors are prompted based on IP)<br />
- <a href="http://www.ibm.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibm.com/</a> (Visitors land on US version but have options to change Country/Region)</p>
<p>In my opinion, eBay &amp; Amazon have implemented an interesting landing page for visitors. Users with proxy (using IP from different country) might not want to land in different page, loading the page they requested and suggesting to move to appropriate Country/Region specific section would be more recommended.</p>
<p>I am sure the Geolocation would be largely used in future as brands and etailers start to expand and attract local markets. Thanks  again for contributing this interesting article &amp; linking to download the white paper which I am sure will help us to great extend.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Vinay</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.branded3.com/blogs/geolocation-improving-navigation-for-web-users-worldwide/comment-page-1/#comment-18315</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geolocation by IP is a fickle mistress.

It has to be handled very careful to provide a good user experience.

For instance, I often find that most hardware manufacturers have regional sites, but that most of the firmware updates only ever appear on their USA site. So when you get pushed off to a regional site you have to try and navigate your way back to the parent. Basically, most regional sites are very sub-standard.

Another poor example is eBay. Every time I visit the USA site and I want to search for something it pops up telling me I really want to use the UK site instead. Once or twice at most should be enough to tell it that no, I actually want to use the USA site, I&#039;m not being a tard.

A good example is Amazon. You almost always hit USA Amazon results in search engines, or follow a link from a blog. Amazon just gently reminds you at the top of the page that you can get the item from the UK site instead and links you to a search to find it.

Plus, IP geolocation always has a margin of error. I remember when I was in the DRM business (lolz) - it was an issue with AOL IPs. Wherever you are in the world they are flagged as USA IPs because AOL just has one enormous netblock.

How do Quova solve that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geolocation by IP is a fickle mistress.</p>
<p>It has to be handled very careful to provide a good user experience.</p>
<p>For instance, I often find that most hardware manufacturers have regional sites, but that most of the firmware updates only ever appear on their USA site. So when you get pushed off to a regional site you have to try and navigate your way back to the parent. Basically, most regional sites are very sub-standard.</p>
<p>Another poor example is eBay. Every time I visit the USA site and I want to search for something it pops up telling me I really want to use the UK site instead. Once or twice at most should be enough to tell it that no, I actually want to use the USA site, I&#8217;m not being a tard.</p>
<p>A good example is Amazon. You almost always hit USA Amazon results in search engines, or follow a link from a blog. Amazon just gently reminds you at the top of the page that you can get the item from the UK site instead and links you to a search to find it.</p>
<p>Plus, IP geolocation always has a margin of error. I remember when I was in the DRM business (lolz) &#8211; it was an issue with AOL IPs. Wherever you are in the world they are flagged as USA IPs because AOL just has one enormous netblock.</p>
<p>How do Quova solve that?</p>
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