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	<title>Comments on: Is VCCP Search really the first agency to let clients see PPC keywords?</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Carruthers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Carruthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a joke, we give clients access to their PPC keywords the whole point of campaign setup fees is to cover this IP.

I do know a of at least one of the bigger agencies that is still not providing clients with completely transparent PPC reporting, as they showed us the reporting they are currently receiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a joke, we give clients access to their PPC keywords the whole point of campaign setup fees is to cover this IP.</p>
<p>I do know a of at least one of the bigger agencies that is still not providing clients with completely transparent PPC reporting, as they showed us the reporting they are currently receiving.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.branded3.com/blogs/is-vccp-search-really-the-first-agency-to-let-clients-see-ppc-keywords/comment-page-1/#comment-5250</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow what a statement!!! Why would agencies keep hold of this info, what use is it hiding from the guys that pay their wages?? At Vertical-Leap we mangage clients accounts for them on their behalf so here is no confusion and complete transparency, and we have been going since 2000. Maybe we should have mentioned this earlier ?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow what a statement!!! Why would agencies keep hold of this info, what use is it hiding from the guys that pay their wages?? At Vertical-Leap we mangage clients accounts for them on their behalf so here is no confusion and complete transparency, and we have been going since 2000. Maybe we should have mentioned this earlier ?!!</p>
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		<title>By: User Solutions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Paid search advertisers must demand transparency and IP</title>
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		<dc:creator>User Solutions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Paid search advertisers must demand transparency and IP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting. nothing new here.

transparency is key here. Clients should have access where possible.

if the client leaves they should have access as well to previous data as should the new incumbent agency on historical data.

always nice to see a good old search debate here and there :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting. nothing new here.</p>
<p>transparency is key here. Clients should have access where possible.</p>
<p>if the client leaves they should have access as well to previous data as should the new incumbent agency on historical data.</p>
<p>always nice to see a good old search debate here and there :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Girdwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Girdwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys,

Glad to see that the conversation is on-going. For very many years now we&#039;ve been signing papers, legal foo, etc, to ensure that all the data/IP/structure belongs to the clients (although that&#039;s not always been necessary).

I&#039;ll happily agree that many agencies don&#039;t do this. Equally, I can happily prove that many agencies have been at this level for years.

VCCP aren&#039;t the first but hopefully all this drama will shine the spotlight brightly and force everyone else to keep up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys,</p>
<p>Glad to see that the conversation is on-going. For very many years now we&#8217;ve been signing papers, legal foo, etc, to ensure that all the data/IP/structure belongs to the clients (although that&#8217;s not always been necessary).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll happily agree that many agencies don&#8217;t do this. Equally, I can happily prove that many agencies have been at this level for years.</p>
<p>VCCP aren&#8217;t the first but hopefully all this drama will shine the spotlight brightly and force everyone else to keep up!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Mead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Mead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jonathan. I guess EF as a bid management technology vendor primarily is coming at this from a slightly different angle than a traditional search agency. Your clients will more likely be in-house teams who are set up with a direct Google account anyway and use your technology platform for bidding, rather than an advertiser used to outsourcing the whole process to an agency (although I appreciate you&#039;re doing a lot more of the latter and the line is blurring!).

Either way, the issues are the same though and I entirely agree with your point about transparency. However, as this debate has demonstrated , one person&#039;s transparency means a keyword report, anothers means account logins, anothers means a professional way of conducting an account transfer. I think this is an area where advertisers need help in terms of exactly what they should expect from a partner.

There&#039;s no question that the optimal position in terms of transparency and the whole IP issue is ownership of the Google account by the advertiser and direct billing.

Talking to Google and speaking to our competitors in this space, I think we&#039;re still very much in the minority with that view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jonathan. I guess EF as a bid management technology vendor primarily is coming at this from a slightly different angle than a traditional search agency. Your clients will more likely be in-house teams who are set up with a direct Google account anyway and use your technology platform for bidding, rather than an advertiser used to outsourcing the whole process to an agency (although I appreciate you&#8217;re doing a lot more of the latter and the line is blurring!).</p>
<p>Either way, the issues are the same though and I entirely agree with your point about transparency. However, as this debate has demonstrated , one person&#8217;s transparency means a keyword report, anothers means account logins, anothers means a professional way of conducting an account transfer. I think this is an area where advertisers need help in terms of exactly what they should expect from a partner.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no question that the optimal position in terms of transparency and the whole IP issue is ownership of the Google account by the advertiser and direct billing.</p>
<p>Talking to Google and speaking to our competitors in this space, I think we&#8217;re still very much in the minority with that view.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Beeston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Beeston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To repeat my earlier comment above, at Efficient Frontier our clients have always owned their accounts and billed direct with Google.  We don&#039;t like to have it any other way, so that&#039;s the way we&#039;ve done since 2002.

It&#039;s good that VCCP is moving over to what we&#039;ve considered best practice for the last seven years.  Agencies that don&#039;t give clients complete transparency will wither on the vine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To repeat my earlier comment above, at Efficient Frontier our clients have always owned their accounts and billed direct with Google.  We don&#8217;t like to have it any other way, so that&#8217;s the way we&#8217;ve done since 2002.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good that VCCP is moving over to what we&#8217;ve considered best practice for the last seven years.  Agencies that don&#8217;t give clients complete transparency will wither on the vine.</p>
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		<title>By: kelvin newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelvin newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again I thought this was common practice! Damn never know a USP til it&#039;s gone ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again I thought this was common practice! Damn never know a USP til it&#8217;s gone ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Mead</title>
		<link>http://www.branded3.com/blogs/is-vccp-search-really-the-first-agency-to-let-clients-see-ppc-keywords/comment-page-1/#comment-5243</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Mead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Itâ€™s been great to see the reaction from around the industry to what is a really important issue for advertisers in search and thanks to everyone for all the calls and emails.

I think we have clarified that this move goes beyond â€˜transparencyâ€™ in terms of logins or â€˜allowing clients the right to retain the rights to their search keywordsâ€™. It also cuts through all the talk of best practice in terms of how agencies should behave when transferring a clientâ€™s account to a new partner.

In future, I think we&#039;ll start to see clients insist that Google accounts are set up in their name. They will own the billing relationship and their account will simply sit in their agencies MCC. Right now, thatâ€™s just not the way that the major search or media agencies are set up. Agencies may well be transparent and allow their clients the rights to their own keywords, but that doesnâ€™t go far enough and the only way for a client to be sure of this is to own the billing relationship. Itâ€™s a fundamental power shift in PPC from agencies to clients.

We have made that move and Iâ€™d be interested to hear if anyone else shares this view, has this set up or is planning to offer their clients this option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Itâ€™s been great to see the reaction from around the industry to what is a really important issue for advertisers in search and thanks to everyone for all the calls and emails.</p>
<p>I think we have clarified that this move goes beyond â€˜transparencyâ€™ in terms of logins or â€˜allowing clients the right to retain the rights to their search keywordsâ€™. It also cuts through all the talk of best practice in terms of how agencies should behave when transferring a clientâ€™s account to a new partner.</p>
<p>In future, I think we&#8217;ll start to see clients insist that Google accounts are set up in their name. They will own the billing relationship and their account will simply sit in their agencies MCC. Right now, thatâ€™s just not the way that the major search or media agencies are set up. Agencies may well be transparent and allow their clients the rights to their own keywords, but that doesnâ€™t go far enough and the only way for a client to be sure of this is to own the billing relationship. Itâ€™s a fundamental power shift in PPC from agencies to clients.</p>
<p>We have made that move and Iâ€™d be interested to hear if anyone else shares this view, has this set up or is planning to offer their clients this option.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Hoye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Hoye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patrick, thanks for taking the point on this one.

I am CEO of Latitude and we agree with you that the foundations of long and mutually beneficial client relationships are built on transparency and trust. This is why Latitude, along with a number of other digital marketing agencies - some of whom we&#039;ve heard here - offer clients the opportunity to retain the rights of the search keywords we purchase for them.

For a few more thoughts, see my blog post: http://tinyurl.com/amm4cm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patrick, thanks for taking the point on this one.</p>
<p>I am CEO of Latitude and we agree with you that the foundations of long and mutually beneficial client relationships are built on transparency and trust. This is why Latitude, along with a number of other digital marketing agencies &#8211; some of whom we&#8217;ve heard here &#8211; offer clients the opportunity to retain the rights of the search keywords we purchase for them.</p>
<p>For a few more thoughts, see my blog post: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/amm4cm" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/amm4cm</a></p>
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